The Republican-controlled United States Senate heard the second day of arguments against President Donald Trump as the impeachment trial entered its fourth day on Thursday.
In six days of presentations, the president's
defence team and Democratic legislators from the House of
Representatives will attempt to convince senators to join their side to
either acquit or convict Trump.
Democratic House managers on Wednesday began
arguing their case first, detailing in eight hours of proceedings the
timeline of Trump's politically motivated pressure campaign on Ukraine.
The managers have a total of 24 hours over three days to make their
arguments, before Trump's defence team will be given the same amount of
time to make their case.
The trial began in earnest on Tuesday with a marathon session of debate that
ultimately culminated in a partisan vote in favour of Senate Majority
Leader Mitch McConnell's resolution outlining the rules for the
impeachment trial, while 11 amendments proposed by Democrats were voted
down.
Here are all the latest updates as of Thursday, January 23:
Trial highlights from day four: Conspiracy theories and fidget spinners
'Political' investigation
Pressing their case for a second day, Democrats said there was no
evidence that former Vice President Joe Biden did anything improper in
dealings with Ukraine. Rebutting a central Trump claim, Democrats said
the president sought a political investigation of Biden by Ukraine to
sway the 2020 election in his favour.
"There was no basis for the investigation the president was pursuing
and pushing. None. He was doing it only for his own political benefit,"
said Representative Sylvia Garcia of Texas, a Democratic prosecutor.
Similarly, Democrats said Trump and his allies, including his
personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, pushed a bogus, Kremlin-pushed conspiracy
theory that Ukraine, not Russia, meddled in the 2016 US election.
"Trump put himself first," ahead of US policy and the national
interest, said Representative Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House
Intelligence Committee and lead Democratic prosecutor.
Senators bring toys
As senators sat through endless hours of arguments on impeachment,
they found a new outlet to focus their attention: fidget spinners.
Republican Senator Richard Burr, handed out the toys to his colleagues before Thursday's trial proceedings began.
Burr was seen playing with a blue spinner while listening to
arguments by House manager Jerrold Nadler. Other senators, including
Republicans Tom Cotton and Pat Toomey, were also seen with spinners on
their desks.
Silence in the chamber, but not outside
While senators are pledged to silence during the trial proceedings -
and deprived of their phones and other electronics - they are speaking
out during breaks in the action.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, a top Trump defender, challenged
the Democratic argument about the Bidens's dealings in Ukraine. The
White House and some congressional Republicans have raised questions
about Hunter Biden's lucrative job on the board of a Ukrainian natural
gas company, and Joe Biden's successful efforts to force the firing of a
corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor. There has been no evidence of wrongdoing
by either Biden.
"I know a lot about the Trump family and their dealings in Russia,"
Graham said. "I don't know anything about the Biden connection. You're
going to hear more about that."
Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, meanwhile, rebutted
Republican senators who lamented they heard nothing new from House
prosecutors. Republicans voted nine times this week to block Democratic
amendments for new witnesses and documents.
"If they want new stuff, there is plenty of it,'' Schumer said at a
news conference before Thursday's session. "As the (Democratic) managers
made clear, a lot of the documents are sitting there, all compiled, all
ready to go, with simply a vote of four Republicans to subpoena them."
What's still ahead?
Democrats are expected to wrap up their arguments on Friday with
Trump's legal team set to make its case for up to three days beginning
on Saturday.
Jay Sekulow, a lawyer for Trump, deflected rumours that the defence may wrap up in a single day.
"We're going to use a sufficient amount of time to defend our case
and point out the inconsistencies of their case. We're not going to run
out the clock," he said. "I am confident that whether it is (completed)
Saturday or Monday or Tuesday that the case will be made defending the
president. I have no doubt."
Trump 'made a religious man out of Vladimir Putin,' jokes Schiff
In a moment that drew rare chuckles on Thursday, at least on the
Democratic side of the chamber, Representative Adam Schiff recalled how
Putin in November had said he was relieved that Ukraine, instead of
Russia, was now being accused of meddling in the 2016 US presidential
election.
"'Thank God,' Putin said, 'Thank God nobody is accusing us any more
of interfering in US elections, now they're accusing Ukraine,'" Schiff
said.
Lead manager House Intelligence
Committee Chairman Adam Schiff speaking during the continuation of
opening arguments on the third day of the Senate impeachment trial of US
President Donald Trump [US Senate TV/Handout via Reuters]
"'Thank God,' Putin says," Schiff continued. "Well, you gotta give
Donald Trump credit for this, he has made a religious man out of
Vladimir Putin."
There was plenty of laughter among Democratic senators at this, but it was not shared on the Republican side of the Senate.
How long can US Senators sit still?
The 100 US senators who will decide whether to remove Trump from
office at the end of his impeachment trial, managed to stay seated and
listen to the Democratic case against him for about 20 minutes on
Thursday, Reuters noted.
Beginning at 1:20pm, legislators began heading off slowly to the
Republican and Democratic cloakrooms at the back of the Senate chamber,
where they can make calls and check their smartphones for emails and
text messages.
They began wandering off shortly after Schiff, thanked them for their
attention through about 20 hours of proceedings over the first two
days.
"I'm not sure the chief justice is fully aware of just how rare it
is, how extraordinary it is, for the House members to be able to command
the attention of senators sitting silently for hours, or even for
minutes, for that matter," Schiff said, alluding to Chief Justice John
Roberts, who is presiding over the hearings.
"Of course, it doesn't hurt that the morning starts out every day
with the sergeant at arms warning you that, if you don't, you will be
imprisoned."
Trump Tweets on elections
On Thursday afternoon, as Democrats pressed their case for removing Trump from office, the president seemed more focused on his 2020 elections prospects, than the trial, unleashing a slew of tweets slamming his election opponents.
As his fellow Republicans showed no signs of turning against him,
Trump is almost certain to be acquitted by the 100-member Senate, which
has 53 Republican members. A two-thirds majority is needed to remove him
from office
"Crazy Bernie takes the lead in the Democrat Primaries, but it is
looking more and more like the Dems will never allow him to win! Will
Sleepy Joe be able to stumble across the finish line?" he wrote in one
tweet. Minutes earlier, he tweeted a Florida presidential poll which
showed him ahead against all Democratic candidates by small margins.
Involuntary Republican chuckling
In a rare moment of levity, House manager Sylvia Garcia drew some
involuntary laughter from Republicans when she played a video clip of a
former White House aide busting on Trump's personal lawyer Rudy
Giuliani.
Tom Bossert, a former Homeland Security Advisor to Trump had said in a
television interview in September that Giuliani's allegations about Joe
Biden in Ukraine were "completely debunked" conspiracy theories.
"There are three ways to impeach one's self. And the third way was to hire Rudy Giuliani," Bossert cracked in the Senate clip.
With a back row of Republicans chuckling, that drew a smirk even from the usually stone-faced Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.
House manager Democratic
Representative Sylvia Garcia, speaking during the impeachment trial
against President Donald Trump in the Senate at the US Capitol in
Washington [Senate Television via AP]
Republican Senator defends reading book during impeachment trial
Senator Marsha Blackburn was seen reading a book during the House
managers' presentation of the impeachment case against Trump on
Thursday.
When called out for it on Twitter, she said the reading material,
Resistance (At All Costs): How Trump Haters are Breaking America by
Kimberley Strassel, offered "good insights into today's proceedings".
She added that "busy mamas are the best multi-tasking".
Trump to address Republican leadership
Trump is set to address his party's leadership on Thursday to rally
their support amid impeachment and a trying re-election fight.
The 168-member Republican National Committee (RNC) is holding its winter meeting at Trump's golf resort outside Miami.
The Republican governing body last year pledged its "undivided support" for Trump.
In an extraordinary move in October, as Democrats moved forward with
the impeachment probe, the RNC said it "now more than ever
wholeheartedly supports President Trump."
Fidget spinners stave off boredom during lengthy arguments
Some senators played with fidget spinners during Thursday's proceedings [File: Carlos Osorio/The Associated Press]
With some Republican senators complaining of boredom during the lengthy presentations by Democrat House managers, Senator Richard Burr handed out fidget spinners to a few colleagues at the Republican's caucus lunch. Inside the Senate chamber on Thursday, he was seen openly
twirling a light blue spinner in his hands for half an hour as House
manager Jerry Nadler expounded on the constitutional legal basis for
Trump's impeachment. Sitting next to Burr, Senator Tom Cotton fidgeted with a spinner, letting it twirl on his wooden Senate desk like a child's top. "I'm hoping our side will simplify it more and not go into as laborious and complicated arguments," said Senator Mike Braun.
Schumer hopes for a 'little bit of magic' in impeachment trial
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer expressed optimism that
some Republicans would change their mind during the House managers
presentation.
"This is an amazing process ... I think this is the first time that
many Republican senators are hearing the whole case laid out," Schumer
said.
"What happens in that room will hopefully have a little bit of magic," he said.
Schumer: 'More hopeful than ever' four Republicans will vote to allow witness testimony
Top Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer, speaking to reporters during a
recess in Thursday's proceedings, said he was "more hopeful than ever"
that four Republicans would vote to allow witnesses. "If we want a fair trial ... the best way to go is the four
witnesses we've asked for and the four sets of documents," Schumer
said. "I am more helpful than every that four ...
Republicans will come forward and tell McConnell you can't shut this
down without witnesses, you can't shut this down without documents." Here are the Senators to watch in the trial.
Trump defence lawyer: 'We're not going to run the time out'
A lawyer on Trump's defence team, Jay Sekulow, said they would not
necessarily use the entire time allotted when their turn comes to
present their arguments. "We're going to use a sufficient amount of time," Sekulow said.
President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Jay Sekulow [File:Jacquelyn Martin/The Associated Press]
"We're not going to try to run the time out. We're going to do what
our legal team thinks is appropriate amount of time," he said.
The lawyer added that he had seen "nothing that has changed" in the case presented by the House managers.
Report: Legal experts say it will be hard for Trump to block Bolton testimony
Legal experts told the Associated Press news agency that a claim of
executive privilege from Trump to block former National Security Advisor
John Bolton's testimony would be weak.
Former National Security Advisor John Bolton [File: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/The Associated Press]
Bolton's testimony is "clearly critical to issues before the Senate,
and that outweighs any privilege that applies," Michael Stern, a former
lawyer for the House when the chamber was controlled by Republicans told
the news agency.
Mark Rozell, a constitutional scholar who wrote a book about
executive privilege, said he believes Bolton could be questioned without
revealing sensitive national security information.
"To me, it looks like the president is just trying to protect
himself," Rozell, dean of George Mason University's Schar School of
Policy and Government in Virginia, told the news agency.
Bolton has said he would testify if subpoenaed and Democrats are pushing to be allowed to do so in the Senate trial.
Still no deals on trial witnesses
Schumer, speaking to reporters on Thursday, said there are no
bipartisan deals in the making for witnesses, document or any new
evidence.
"No Republicans are talking to us about deals," he said.
Senators will debate whether they will be able to subpoena more
witnesses or evidence after House managers present their case and
Trump's legal team presents the defence.
House manager Sylvia Garcia outlines abuse of power
Representative Garcia took to the Senate floor to outline the first article of impeachment against Trump: abuse of power.
Garcia is one of seven House managers who are presenting the case for impeachment. McConnell reminds senators of his plans to table Schumer's third amendment
Senate TV
Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell gave senators a brief rundown of what
to expect following the debate on the third amendment.
He reminded senators that he would be moving to table the amendment following the debate.
"And
it is important to remember, both the evidence and witnesses are
addressed in the underlying resolution," the Kentucky Republican said.
Both
parties will have two hours to argue the amendment, which was
introduced by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. The amendment calls
on the Senate to subpoena key documents from the Office of Budget and
Management.
Once the debate is over, McConnell said they will vote on the amendment, then take a 30-minute recess for dinner.
23 min ago
Senate tables amendment to subpoena State Department documents
The Senate voted along party lines to table Sen. Chuck Schumer's second amendment to Mitch McConnell's resolution.
The vote was 53 Republicans in favor and 47 Democrats against tabling the amendment.
Schumer is now introducing a third amendment to subpoena relevant documents from the Office of Management and Budget.
21 min ago
Today's hearing is wearing on senators
Senate TV
By
5:30 p.m. ET, the length of the first day was wearing on the senators
in the chamber. There were lots of yawns and sleepy looks.
Sen.
Martha McSally had a blanket over her lap. Sen. Dan Sullivan let loose a
big yawn. At one point, both Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and Sen. Jim Risch
appeared to have their eyes closed, but Gillibrand opened them abruptly
and sat up straight in her chair.
Others
looked like bored students in a particularly long lecture. Sen. Tom
Cotton absent-mindedly clicked his retractable pen for about a minute,
before Sen. Joni Ernst turned to look at him and he stopped. Sen. Amy
Klobuchar was chewing a piece of gum. Sen. Tim Scott scribbled on a note
card and handed it to Sen. Ben Sasse, who read it, leaned into Scott’s
ear, and began whispering. Scott silently laughed at whatever Sasse told
him.
One
of the attorneys for the House Democratic managers, sitting at the
table across from the managers, was Daniel Goldman, who was the lead
counsel for the House Intelligence Committee during its impeachment
hearings.
House
Manager Rep. Val Demings, during her arguments, prompted for a video of
Goldman’s questioning of former acting ambassador to Ukraine Bill
Taylor to be played. When Goldman’s voice boomed out of the speakers at
the start of the video, the present Goldman sat up with a bit of a
start.
31 min ago
McConnell asks to table Schumer's second amendment
The
House impeachment managers and Trump's legal team just finished
debating a second amendment to the proposed trial rules. The amendment —
introduced by Sen. Chuck Schumer — would allow for the subpoena of
State Department documents.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell asked to table the amendment. They're voting on that now.
36 min ago
Many Republicans didn’t read through McConnell's resolution closely last night, senator says
Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Sen.
Mike Braun, a Republican from Indiana, told reporters that many
Republicans didn’t read through the resolution closely last night — so
at the GOP lunch today there was a lot of discussion surrounding the
amount of time for opening arguments and the handling of evidence
already laid out from the House.
“I
think that most of us didn't really have time to really look at the
resolution closely and when we did, we thought that submitting evidence
from House proceedings would be a good thing," he said.
Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell made some key last minute changes to
the Senate trial organizing resolution today, including that evidence
from the House would be submitted into the trial record unless there’s a
vote to oppose, and time for opening arguments would be extended from
two days to three.
In
addition to Republican Sen. Susan Collins, who voiced support for
witnesses, Braun felt there was “pretty broad agreement” on the idea
that “when it came to any information that any evidence has already been
heard in the House that just gets accepted into the record.”
Braun
also said that while originally he thought it would be a good idea to
tough it out and sit through opening arguments in a compressed timeline –
by 5:30 p.m. today he said: “I don’t think I’d be as apt to say I could
sit through 12 to 14 hours or whatever that might be.”
He
added that he felt that way, in particular, because the subject matter
“we’ve all heard” and it feels like it’s going “slowly” at this point.
39 min ago
White House counsel: It's "not right" to subpoena John Bolton
Senate TV
White
House counsel Pat Cipollone briefly spoke on the Senate Floor following
House manager Val Demings, responding to Adam Schiff’s assertion that
he’d call former White House national security adviser John Bolton to
testify in the Senate.
He
said that issuing a subpoena for Bolton is “not right” since the House
forwent their opportunity to call him to testify during their trial.
Cipollone
referenced a letter from Bolton and Charles Kupperman’s lawyer dated
Nov. 8 regarding subpoenas for Bolton and Kupperman’s testimony.
The
House, Cipollone said, “never subpoenaed Ambassador Bolton, … and they
withdrew the subpoena for Charles Kupperman. And they ask you to issue a
subpoena for John Bolton. It’s not right,” he said
He yielded the remainder of his time to the President’s outside counsel, Jay Sekulow.
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